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	<title>Comments on: THE STORIES WE TELL</title>
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		<title>By: Adrian Reynolds</title>
		<link>http://www.youdothatvoodoo.com/2008/04/25/the-stories-we-tell/#comment-258</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian Reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saying 'Landmark' seems to be more powerful than saying 'Beetlejuice' even.  

Apologies if the bathroom thing is untrue -- if there is truth in that remark, it probably comes from the days of est and not Landmark.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saying &#8216;Landmark&#8217; seems to be more powerful than saying &#8216;Beetlejuice&#8217; even.  </p>
<p>Apologies if the bathroom thing is untrue &#8212; if there is truth in that remark, it probably comes from the days of est and not Landmark.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone who has been both a professional writer and and has done some of the Landmark courses, I found your post fascinating. I think stories can be immensely powerful in our lives. They can inspire us to new heights of achievement or contribution, or they can destroy us, depending on what story you're telling.

I once read something fascinating that Clint Eastwood said. He visited a prison once, and he asked a question of the prisoners. When you watch one of my movies, are you rooting for me or are you rooting for the criminals? They all looked at him like he was crazy. We're rooting for you, of course.

What Eastwood saw is that everyone identifies with themselves as the hero--No one, not even murderers, think of themselves as the bad guy. Everyone's the hero, (or, if unsuccessful, the victim) of their own personal tale. Murderers feel justified in what they've done by the personal stories they create about what happened.

There's also a great scene in Neil Gaiman's Doll's House where the Sandman encounters a meeting of serial killers and he lays a curse of sorts on them: That they will know exactly who they are, and how little that means. He still all their petty dreams of grandeur and importance.

Anyhow, this has gotten way of the rails, but I think it does relate powerfully to one's own writing. For myself, doing the Landmark course (and by the way, that think about the bathroom must be some sort of urband legend) had me look my own stories in the eye and see which of them I wanted to keep around. By getting free from the idea of my unconscious personal story being true, I found I had far more flexibility in my writing. I've had an explosion of creativity inside of realizing that it's all just made up anyway and there's nothing I can't say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who has been both a professional writer and and has done some of the Landmark courses, I found your post fascinating. I think stories can be immensely powerful in our lives. They can inspire us to new heights of achievement or contribution, or they can destroy us, depending on what story you&#8217;re telling.</p>
<p>I once read something fascinating that Clint Eastwood said. He visited a prison once, and he asked a question of the prisoners. When you watch one of my movies, are you rooting for me or are you rooting for the criminals? They all looked at him like he was crazy. We&#8217;re rooting for you, of course.</p>
<p>What Eastwood saw is that everyone identifies with themselves as the hero&#8211;No one, not even murderers, think of themselves as the bad guy. Everyone&#8217;s the hero, (or, if unsuccessful, the victim) of their own personal tale. Murderers feel justified in what they&#8217;ve done by the personal stories they create about what happened.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s also a great scene in Neil Gaiman&#8217;s Doll&#8217;s House where the Sandman encounters a meeting of serial killers and he lays a curse of sorts on them: That they will know exactly who they are, and how little that means. He still all their petty dreams of grandeur and importance.</p>
<p>Anyhow, this has gotten way of the rails, but I think it does relate powerfully to one&#8217;s own writing. For myself, doing the Landmark course (and by the way, that think about the bathroom must be some sort of urband legend) had me look my own stories in the eye and see which of them I wanted to keep around. By getting free from the idea of my unconscious personal story being true, I found I had far more flexibility in my writing. I&#8217;ve had an explosion of creativity inside of realizing that it&#8217;s all just made up anyway and there&#8217;s nothing I can&#8217;t say.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Vincent</title>
		<link>http://www.youdothatvoodoo.com/2008/04/25/the-stories-we-tell/#comment-256</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 09:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Landmark Education, the educational company that offers the Landmark Forum has changed a lot of things from the est training, which technology it owns. In the est training, yes, the participants were required to stay in the room during the lectures. That is not true for the Landmark Forum. The sessions are 2 and a half to three hours long, and participants may leave if they need to at any time. 

And while, yes, the participants engage in a conversation to identify their "defining stories", no one is required to speak them publicly. They are "pulled apart", but only in the sense that the "what happened" -- defined by incident -- is separated from "what it meant" -- defined by meaning. This process is done honestly and respectfully.

If you haven't already, I suggest you check into it and even do the course. I think you'll find it fascinating and worth while.

If you want more reading, I suggest you head over to www.landmarkeducationnews.com or www.legrads.com.au for stories from people who are using what they learned to make a difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Landmark Education, the educational company that offers the Landmark Forum has changed a lot of things from the est training, which technology it owns. In the est training, yes, the participants were required to stay in the room during the lectures. That is not true for the Landmark Forum. The sessions are 2 and a half to three hours long, and participants may leave if they need to at any time. </p>
<p>And while, yes, the participants engage in a conversation to identify their &#8220;defining stories&#8221;, no one is required to speak them publicly. They are &#8220;pulled apart&#8221;, but only in the sense that the &#8220;what happened&#8221; &#8212; defined by incident &#8212; is separated from &#8220;what it meant&#8221; &#8212; defined by meaning. This process is done honestly and respectfully.</p>
<p>If you haven&#8217;t already, I suggest you check into it and even do the course. I think you&#8217;ll find it fascinating and worth while.</p>
<p>If you want more reading, I suggest you head over to <a href="http://www.landmarkeducationnews.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.landmarkeducationnews.com</a> or <a href="http://www.legrads.com.au" rel="nofollow">http://www.legrads.com.au</a> for stories from people who are using what they learned to make a difference.</p>
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